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Why does the national debt snowball?

Interest comes off the top, the shortfall is borrowed onto the pile. Turn the interest rate, growth and the spending gap and run the US debt from 2026 to 2056.

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  • national debt
  • interest
  • deficits
  • Ray Dalio
  • debt cycles

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In fiscal 2026 the United States paid $1.14 trillion in interest, more than it spent on the military. Why does the pile keep growing faster?

2 Change
  • Interest rate on the debt1% → 8%
  • Economic growth0% → 7%
  • Spending beyond taxessurplus → big deficit
Model · fiscal 2026, fixed shares of GDP

Fiscal 2026 shares of GDP held fixed, 4% nominal growth, one average rate on the whole pile; the 2036 figures are the model's, not a forecast.

Model notes and sources

Model. One country, one year at a time, in trillions of dollars. Taxes are 16.7% of GDP and spending before interest is 19.3% of GDP, which reproduces fiscal 2026: receipts $5.4T, outlays $7.4T, deficit $2.0T on a GDP of about $32.4T. The pile is debt held by the public, $32.4T, about 100% of GDP. Each year, interest = rate × pile, and it is paid before anything else; what is left of taxes goes to programs; borrowing = spending − taxes + interest, the shortfall after interest; the pile grows by the borrowing; GDP grows at the growth knob (nominal, so inflation is inside it). The default 3.5% rate reproduces the $1.14T of net interest paid in 2026 ($1.13T in the model). The snowball has two engines: the gap before interest, and the difference between the interest rate and growth. When the rate is above growth, the pile outgrows the economy even with no gap. The film opens on the National Debt Clock in Manhattan, by @newyorkcityclocks; the clock shows gross federal debt, including what the government owes its own trust funds, while the pile in the model is debt held by the public. The numbers come from the model, not from the clip.

Not modeled. The shares of GDP stay fixed, so no policy changes, recessions, inflation surprises or changes in who holds the debt. The average rate on the whole pile moves at once in this model; in reality new rates apply as old bonds roll over, which takes years. The 2036 figures in the film are this model's projection at a 5.5% rate, two points above today's, not a forecast.

Sources. Congressional Budget Office, Monthly Budget Review: September 2026 (fiscal 2026 receipts $5,403B, outlays $7,396B, deficit $1,993B, net interest $1,143B, defense $916B, Social Security $1,654B, Medicare $1,069B, Medicaid $723B); American Action Forum on the Treasury's final Monthly Treasury Statement for fiscal 2026 (debt held by the public about $32.4T, about 100% of GDP; interest about 19% of revenue); the debt-dynamics identity Δ(debt/GDP) ≈ (r − g)·(debt/GDP) + primary deficit, as in any public-finance text (Wikipedia). Concept inspired by Ray Dalio's How the Economic Machine Works.

An ExplainerTools Original. Concept inspired by Ray Dalio’s How the Economic Machine Works.

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